Yes, we’ve had a lot of CASTLE stuff on the site today, but given that I just got off the phone with series creator Andrew Marlowe, I figured you guys wouldn’t object too much to a little more scoop about what’s to come. (Right? That’s what I thought.)
Keep reading for my chat with Marlowe about fan response, the fallout from Castle knowing Beckett’s secret, his thoughts on a potential season 5 and more…
So, I’m guessing you’ve seen your fair share of panicked CASTLE fans in the past week…
Andrew Marlowe: [Laughs] Actually, I knew that there were going to be some anxious fans so I stayed off the boards after Monday’s episode.
I know you’ve talked in the past how you monitor people’s anxiousness and their frustrations and there are times where you’re genuinely trying to get a specific kind of reaction because you know where things are leading to. But do you feel like the reaction you’ve seen is what you felt it should be at this point?
AM: Yeah, I think so. I think so. As long as they’re willing to stick with us until the end, that’s good. There’s a reason for everything we’re doing and I expect about a third of the fans will be really angry, a third of them would be frustrated/anxious/curious and a third of them would probably get where we’re going.
Has there been any point in the season where you were surprised by the reaction you got?
AM: Um, sort of yes and no. No, in that I understand that passionate fans are going to be invested and whenever there’s a bump in the road or these guys are challenged, it’s going to be frustrating to some folks. I certainly know there is an aspect of impatience with some of our more hardcore fans. But we had things pretty well mapped out at the beginning of the season and things are going according to our plan, and we feel like our characters are in a really interesting place and certainly where they need to be in our run-up to the season finale.
Good to know. Lanie and Beckett are also having a long-overdue conversation in tonight’s episode. Jon Huertas teased that Esposito and Lanie may have been getting together off-screen. What’s the latest on their relationship?
AM: I think you’ll know more about that in tonight’s episode. So I’ll let you watch and find out.
Fair enough. What can you say about what the women discuss about Beckett’s relationship with Castle?
AM: Well, you know, I think in the aftermath of the revelation in last Monday night’s episode, Beckett feels Castle pulling away and that scares her. It’s one thing to not declare yourself when someone is sticking around and you know that they’re going to be there, but when they start pulling away, I think it can be very frightening. I think that she is dealing with those emotions. She doesn’t understand the reason why he’s acting the way he’s acting, why he’s withdrawing. And Lanie has a point of view on it. Her point of view is, “He’s been hanging around, waiting for you to be ready. You have to do something or he’s going to drift away.” So she gets ready to declare herself, but the question is, is Castle in a position where he’s ready to receive that information? So we have a little bit more of the dance to do before we get to where we’re going.
Is Castle at all acknowledging to himself, “She made a huge mistake lying about this, but I’m also harboring a relationship-changing secret”? Or is that not in his head right now because he’s so wrapped up in the anger?
AM: Come on, he’s a boy! [Laughs] Do you think boys do that? He’s not in a self-reflective mood. He’s just pissed and acting out. But is he going to get to what you’re talking about? Yeah. But he’s not going to get there overnight — it’s going to take an episode or two.
And I think his pride was seriously wounded in that last episode. We know that men don’t like to talk about their feelings, they’re not going to go in there and confront somebody, he’s just going to quietly suffer with the pain and deal with his very complicated feelings towards her and I think we get to watch that for the next couple episodes. It’s interesting because we get to watch Beckett react to it. It’s a very human relationship, where sometimes you don’t realize what you want until you’re afraid of losing it.
Absolutely. We as an audience know that Beckett really does remember everything, but does anyone else bring up to Castle that maybe what he thinks he heard wasn’t actually what he’s angry about? That perhaps what she thinks she remembers isn’t the full story and she just simply remembers being shot and not his declaration after?
AM: Well, that’s not really in the back of his mind right now, and she was so declarative about it that I don’t think that factors into his thinking. But there are some other things that we do deal with in episodes coming up which is why she may have done that. And it may have nothing to do with the way she feels about Castle, and there are many reasons people lie. Sometimes even to protect themselves. But that’s for future episodes. That’s before we get to our season finale, in which we have our characters finally confront the issues they’ve been dodging all year. Finally laying our cards on the table.
They’ll be laying out their cards in the season finale?
AM: Yeah. Circumstances in the season finale lead up to them really having to confront the secrets they’ve been harboring. Right now, Castle knows what Beckett has been harboring, but she doesn’t know that he knows. So we haven’t really put our cards on the table. And that’s going to be coming up.
Okay, we’ll touch back on the season finale in a little bit. I know you guys haven’t officially been picked up for season 5, but there’s no question the show has performed solidly for ABC. Is there actually any concern on your end that the show won’t be back, or are you just trying to not count your chickens before they hatch in terms of thinking about future years?
AM: I am never one to tempt the TV gods. We have a very good feeling, but only [ABC President] Paul Lee and the folks at ABC know for sure. We are moving forward assuming that we’re coming back and assuming that they’re happy with us. But again, I don’t want to tempt the TV gods, because I know how fickle they are, and I know shows have been surprised in the past. So we’re just going to keep our heads down and do good work until the end of the season.
Have you heard about whether there will even be early renewals? There seem to be conflicting reports on it…
AM: I don’t know. We were sort of spoiled last year because I think Paul wanted to make a statement so we got our pickup in January. But I think with a bunch of the midseason shows, they’re being a bit more cautious and I think that we have the responsibility to move forward and start to think about next year as if it’s going to happen so we don’t lose any time or effort. And we want the show to continue its great momentum. We know we’re hitting syndication on TNT and we’re really excited about that. We’re excited about the opportunity to maybe bring a new audience to it. But right now, they’ll tell us when they tell us, and we’ll take the news either way graciously. But we have good feelings and we think they have good feelings towards us. But I never want to tempt the TV gods!
So, there you have it. I’ll have much more for you from Marlowe soon, but for now, are you excited about where Castle and Beckett may be going? Or are you in full-out panic mode?